tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post8826598867396762176..comments2023-03-28T07:08:12.335-04:00Comments on Eye on Downingtown: Continued MusingsElaine Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-25972556547459764812010-12-22T20:54:58.358-05:002010-12-22T20:54:58.358-05:00Oh good gravy you HAVE to be kidding to think that...Oh good gravy you HAVE to be kidding to think that I am Tony too. If you need confirmation of who I am I made it to the council meeting this evening and Nick Winkler did a fabulous job updating Council on some of what we have accomplished and what we still hope to do. We both spoke about the skunk issue that had been adressed with Bob Smith.<br /><br />As for the hats go collect them elsewhere the comment is neither necessary nor funny and if it continues I will delete them.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-32677689479092184082010-12-22T18:33:04.713-05:002010-12-22T18:33:04.713-05:00Will the Johnsontown group have hats? I collect ha...Will the Johnsontown group have hats? I collect hats.<br /><br />BuckyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-88019939082908677002010-12-22T15:54:42.818-05:002010-12-22T15:54:42.818-05:00Okay, "Tony".Okay, "Tony".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-86755507021027147482010-12-22T12:43:32.808-05:002010-12-22T12:43:32.808-05:00I had no idea that Tony had posted till I saw it a...I had no idea that Tony had posted till I saw it and one can be on the computer from bed if one has a laptop or haven't you figured that out yet? As for knowing the posts are there....no, I just said that I wasn't going to go look. If they are there they stay there.<br /><br />I am beginning to seriously feel sorry for the people in your life if they have to put up with the same stuff you leave here Chris.<br /><br />There is another council meeting tonight and it's up in the air whether I will attend even though JCG is on the agenda, since I have contracted tonsilitis. So you may have to wait a few days to be denigrating Chris.....I hope you don't explode, oh wait I forgot you do that on the DLN site too....nevermind.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-24656765681361774012010-12-22T12:20:06.980-05:002010-12-22T12:20:06.980-05:00And about the "crap" that comes out the ...And about the "crap" that comes out the other end of the whale....<br /><br />http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-whale-waste-is-valuableAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-51739264434525936902010-12-22T11:39:51.319-05:002010-12-22T11:39:51.319-05:00Can whale poop save the planet?
http://marinelife...Can whale poop save the planet?<br /><br />http://marinelife.about.com/b/2010/04/25/can-whale-poop-save-the-planet.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-11808824776393954192010-12-22T11:21:44.224-05:002010-12-22T11:21:44.224-05:00BTW, it did not escape my notice that Elaine was &...BTW, it did not escape my notice that Elaine was "sick in bed", "under doctors supervision", and "not likely to be on" at 3:35 PM, but had typed a response and posted it (luckily avoiding the spam filter in the process) by 3:39 PMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-33509975344374547832010-12-22T11:11:25.585-05:002010-12-22T11:11:25.585-05:00My understanding is that whale crap actually float...My understanding is that whale crap actually floats until it is consumed by other aquatic organisms, thus perpetuating the aquatic ecosystem.<br /><br />But I could be wrong about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-31351247032383146532010-12-22T06:34:33.793-05:002010-12-22T06:34:33.793-05:00you Chris are lower then whale crap on the bottom ...you Chris are lower then whale crap on the bottom of the ocean ... TonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-57363338244061700752010-12-21T23:10:42.800-05:002010-12-21T23:10:42.800-05:00Nothing like a little illness to make a person com...Nothing like a little illness to make a person come clean. So you are aware of the posts, but have not posted them. As I suspected...<br /><br />Thank you, and I hope you feel better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-45571147950835827722010-12-21T15:39:46.389-05:002010-12-21T15:39:46.389-05:00Get off of the dang censorship thing will you. I ...Get off of the dang censorship thing will you. I will no longer go hunting for the posts that get kicked into the spam filter. I did not pull anything off of here other than the ones that I publicly announced that I did. <br /><br />As for Ann Feldman do I like what she is doing on council? No not at all. Do I think she should be on council when she is the sole litigant named in a lawsuit that involves the borough? Not in the slightest. But if you will look back further there is a direct post to the local elected officials about growing some cojones if he/she are going to serve the public and it wasn't about Ann. I don't particularly like Chip either, but he has not done anything other than be completely naive when it comes to cutting the budget, so far. And it does bother me when other council members talk down to those they don't like. Yes it did set off my pet peeve meter when Ann was late to a specifically stated BUDGET council meeting and then was lost the next meeting when budget issues came up. If you have something pressing that you cannot be at a meeting and then choose not get yourself up to speed for the next one don't mention anything in an open forum PERIOD! I don't care if Ann did it or if Jamie Bruton had made the same faux pas.<br /><br />Now STOP COMPLAINING! I am tired of it and I am ill today and if you dont quit you are going bye bye just cause I feel cruddy.<br /><br />BTW Tony thank you. THis is the first I have been able to sit up for any length of time today.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-92132892370698969392010-12-21T15:35:19.412-05:002010-12-21T15:35:19.412-05:00Just so that you know Elaine is terrebly sick in b...Just so that you know Elaine is terrebly sick in bed under her Dr.'s supervision and will most likely not be on today ... thought i would point that out before you throw up some crap about it not getting posted fast enough.<br /><br />TonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-20338967618934685042010-12-21T15:33:11.449-05:002010-12-21T15:33:11.449-05:00whatever ... not like your posts are the most impo...whatever ... not like your posts are the most important thing for me to worry about ... I think it is comical that you hold this blog in such high esteem ... or as a threat to make such a big deal about a few missing posts ... or your ego is so large you like to read yourself in print on the internet ... again i am done and could care less, and probably should.<br /><br />TonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-50871135160776877192010-12-21T14:15:07.246-05:002010-12-21T14:15:07.246-05:00We'll see, Tony...there are several missing po...We'll see, Tony...there are several missing posts, all of which had been "published".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-36328234128206317372010-12-21T13:45:32.543-05:002010-12-21T13:45:32.543-05:00Downingtown is 150 years old and growing, Tony. El...Downingtown is 150 years old and growing, Tony. Elaines says it is "dying", and you say it is "shutting down and collapsing". Since I have had a Downingtown address all my life, I think I am qualified to say that Downingtown is not "dying" or "shutting down". The population grew by nearly 1000 people in the last ten years or so, and the school district is one of the most desired in the County. Does it have fiscal problems? Yes (what town does not, in this recession?). Does it have bad leadership? No comment. Did Downingtown have financial problems in the Great Depression? Likely. How about all of the recessions and depressions in 150 years? Almost certainly. We had a rather severe recession in 1980-82, and nobody proposed selling parks. We had a recession about a decade later, and nobody was talking about selling parks to developers.<br /> <br />I suspect most long-time Downingtown residents would find your assessment of the town's future downright ridiculous.<br /> <br />Everyone is well aware that the signs went up after the Judge ruled the park could not be sold, not for the 33 years prior, counting the ten years since the environmental assessments, and the period in the 1990's when one resident was asking for signs, because the Borough was well aware of the conclusions of the Golder Fianl Report on the environmental issues. ("no unacceptable risk to human health has been identified").<br /> <br />Since I have posted several times, (indicated as "published") and those posts have never been put up, it seems there is at least a 'willful neglect', if you prefer, about posting some comments. Clearly I know how to post.<br /> <br />Elaine keeps threatening to delete or ban posts, so it is not such a stretch to think it is happening. If they are in fact just trapped in a spam filter, it would be a small matter to post them. One this thread alone Elaine has threatened several times (with the sincere support of Downingtown Resident) of banning or deleting posts. What would you call that, if not censorship?<br /> <br />Of course, the simplest way to get rid of me is to stop posting misleading commentary about Kardon Park, and to stop taking potshots at Ann Feldman or FOKP. If it were not for that, I would not be here. It does seem Elaine is incapable of refraining from that.<br /><br />ChrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-91223509076092877102010-12-21T09:44:06.535-05:002010-12-21T09:44:06.535-05:00As far as the censorship thing ... I have watched...As far as the censorship thing ... I have watched as Elaine has posted up all of your posts when she gets to it. she has a lot on her plate ... She checks the spam folder when she can. often finding multiple copies of the same thing from you sent in. I am no expert but from what i see with my own eyes is that you submit something and do not wait for it to take and you keep on resubmitting it over and over so the system sets it up as a spam attack. This is only a guess. The posts that I saw Elaine remove was nothing more then people discussing wearing hats and total garbage comments. So get off the censorship crap. <br /><br />TonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-9942115803100901092010-12-21T09:31:39.218-05:002010-12-21T09:31:39.218-05:00What does not bode well for the community is keepi...What does not bode well for the community is keeping a crap plot of land that is over grown and toxic that could be capped and developed to provide the town with much needed revenue. Call it whatever you want it is not a park when signs have to be posted to warn people of the risks. A park should be something to play in for kids to take pets for walks to have picnics and cookouts in etc .... Great thanks to FOKP I can look forward to higher tax rates and watch as a town I care about shuts down slowly and collapses. We have several very nice parks already. I just do not get the thinking involved that it will do us all good to keep that nasty patch of land what it is now. Please do not try to convince me otherwise Chris ........ you can't.<br /><br />TonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-85756010772625745612010-12-21T08:53:19.880-05:002010-12-21T08:53:19.880-05:00Well Downingtown Resident, you could start by look...Well Downingtown Resident, you could start by looking at the first two posts on this thread. Both of which are completely devoid of opinion or sarcasm on my part. They are strictly informational. I only responded negatively to Elaine's claim that she was not referring to Ms. Feldman, in her commentary as "whiney or stuttery" or not punctual. Clearly Ms. Feldman was the target of that, since no one has asserted that any of the other Council members were not punctual, and Elaine has complained about Ms. Feldman's delivery on other threads on this blog. (a review of historic Borough minutes would, however, indicate that on occasion, certain Council members have not attended meetings, as is typical of all municipalities and governments). Why someone would bring this up is beyond me, since there are far more troubling issues about the Borough's Council that are being ignored here.<br /><br />I find it troubling that you are apparently in favor of Elaine's mean spirited attacks towards Ann Feldman and FOKP, (as well as the misinformation), but are offended when anyone responds and defends them.<br /><br />And evidently you are also in favor of censorship, which is even more troubling. If this is the mindset that is politically active in Downingtown, this does not bode well for the community. It is bad enough that the same group wants to sell off public parks for development in violation of state law, but to try to influence public sentiment via misinformation and censorship in the process is a path toward something very different than the founders of the country had in mind.<br /><br /><br />As I have pointed out in two of my 'missing' posts, you can't cry foul if you are the one doing the instigating. And you certainly cannot complain that people are bothered by censorship if you are practicing or advocating it.<br /><br />ChrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-3325362231344488842010-12-20T22:00:37.886-05:002010-12-20T22:00:37.886-05:00Interestingly and quite ironically, while on the s...Interestingly and quite ironically, while on the subject of 'republican' government, it should be noted that one of the points of law made in the Friends of Kardon Park lawsuit was that by signing an agreement with a developer, and therefore being legally committed to fulfilling it on behalf of the developer, the Borough Council of Downingtown had in doing so, deprived the citizens of Downingtown of their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government. Because they were legally bound to represent the developer's interests, they could no longer represent the citizens' (voter's, owners, and taxpayers) interests.<br /><br />If the wikipedia article is not to your liking, you may prefer to read the Federalist Papers, particlularly #10 by James Madison who argued against direct democracy in favor of representative democracy...in the form of a republic, writings which led to the drafting of the US Constitution.<br /><br />ChrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-40611331052853826652010-12-20T12:43:38.651-05:002010-12-20T12:43:38.651-05:00VERY WELL put Elaine !! Chris give it a rest ... ...VERY WELL put Elaine !! Chris give it a rest ... you can spout all of the opinion you want .... just please only do it once. You were successful in one thing. After reading your long winded posts here and at the DLN site I would not want to be associated with people who have such an attacking mean spirit. I have yet to see you post something positive nice or even non-condecending, heck i would settle for something not sarcastic. You were given enough rope and took the expected action. I hope Elaine bans you.<br /><br />DOWNINGTOWN RESIDENTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-4098231982316489692010-12-20T06:25:45.467-05:002010-12-20T06:25:45.467-05:00First of all Wikipedia as a source......really? B...First of all Wikipedia as a source......really? Besides that if you really think that a Jeffersonian Democracy exists today then you need to do some more research on other sites than Wikipedia. Jefferson was for a small federal government and for the local governments to have the power and that means that the power would reside with the people. That ain't happening today no matter where you look.<br /><br />Chris like I said I am really tired of your whining about censorship. You don't like how run the blog? LEAVE! I don't have to explain myself and I don't have to justify myself especially to you. Who are you? Really who are you? To me you are nothing but a speck on the timeline of my life and I am tired of trying listening to you complain. Do you not have anything else to do other than to troll blogs and the DLN and find places where people do not agree with your opinion?<br /><br />It would be fine if you just disagreed with an opinion, but you have to try and denigrate anyone who deos not see it your way. NO matter how many times you post what is in the Golder Report or Judge Platt's decision or anything else I serioulsy doubt it will change my opinion or my reading of it. It is called interpretation....you see it one way and I and others see it another. And before you are off to the races on interpretation your esteemed Judge Platt did just that and so do many other judges day to day. You want an empty unused overgrown piece of land to stay that way....fine. I would like to see D'town get an influx of cash, some new residents who could possibly help the businesses in town grow and for a contaminated piece of land to be capped without the borough having to pay for it. Now enough is enough.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-76152215784673492412010-12-20T00:41:43.488-05:002010-12-20T00:41:43.488-05:00Here is an article on Jeffersonian democracy. You ...Here is an article on Jeffersonian democracy. You may recall the name Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence, and probably knew a little more about the subject than you.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffersonian_democracyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-86269712599777653622010-12-19T23:54:58.241-05:002010-12-19T23:54:58.241-05:00You will note that I said the US is (at the Federa...You will note that I said the US is (at the Federal level) a Republic.<br /><br />See, we can agree on something.<br /><br />A republic is, of course, a form of representative democracy, in which the people choose their representatives in general elections decided by majority vote. It is not direct democracy, or pure democracy, because citizens are not making laws themselves or voting on every line item in a budget. That would be virtually impossible to implement, particularly with a country of 350 million.<br /><br />Now there is no requirement in either a republic or direct democracy for protection of basic rights...speech, press, assembly. Fortunately we have those rights defined in the constitution of our constitutional republic.<br /><br />But we are talking about Downingtown, and in the matter of censorship, your tortured little domain.<br /><br />The relevant question is: does this blog respect differences of opinion, or is it a totalitarian dictatorship which openly practices censorship?<br /><br />ChrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-39338996014997510532010-12-19T21:14:30.081-05:002010-12-19T21:14:30.081-05:00Chris I am done playing your games. You have no i...Chris I am done playing your games. You have no idea what you are speaking of. Just because I do not agree with your side of the aisle does not mean that I have not done my homework nor have I not researched anything. I am a bit sick and tired of you sneering at my opinion yet yours is to be taken at face value. You claim no one reads this blog yet here you are and I really don't know what I did to offend God that much that He brought you here. I meant what I said, you are on the verge of getting deleted and it has nothing to do with your opinion of the Kardon Park issue it has to do with how you speak to me and others who don't share your lofty misguided opinion.<br /><br /><br />This is taken directly from ThisNation.com<br /><br />The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths"<br /><br />Iran is an Islamic Republic, The PEOPLE'S Republic of China is so named because it is run mostly by Communists (the state and the PLA are the other reiging entities) and North Korea is actually the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea. Now who doesn't do their research? Hmmm might it be YOU?!?<br /><br />As for the dang 12 acres......don't even bring up deception when the FOKP have built their group on nothing but deception and lies. Go away fly you bother me.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-49282502863169710152010-12-19T19:54:49.661-05:002010-12-19T19:54:49.661-05:00Generally speaking posters on blogs respond either...Generally speaking posters on blogs respond either to the lead commentary or, if they prefer, to preceding comments. There is no right or wrong. I have responded initially to your lead commentary, and in turn to your followup commentary.<br /><br />Look Elaine, it is quite obvious to anybody reading this blog what you are attempting to do, and it should be painfully apparent even to you by now that you are not getting away with it.<br /><br />As long as you post whatever you post, and nobody responds, it has some potential of impacting someone's thinking. But when people are rebutting what you write with facts and reason, your attempts are thwarted.<br /><br />Maybe you can't see that, and clearly you can't...but it is obvious to anyone else reading your blog.<br /><br />This blog or my posts have absolutely nothing to do with me, it is all about you, and your opinions, and your misinformation, and your attempts to make yourself seem more qualified to speak on issues than Ms. Feldman (who has surely researched all of this far more than you), your attempts to dismiss the law, and the scientific studies, and the history of the issue, and put your personal spin on well, everything. You should call this blog Elaine's Alternate Reality Universe.<br /><br />And I am self-centered? I have not mentioned anything about myself anywhere on this blog. I am only responding to what YOU write. (Go back and check)<br /><br />And check the spam filter while you're at it.<br /><br />Chris.<br /><br />BTW the US is a representative democracy (in the form of a Republic at the federal level) as are most modern democracies of the world. There is no such thing as a true democracy among nations or states, since that would require a vote from every citizen on every issue, and would be quite impractical. But the common understanding of democracy is representative democracy in which the representatives are elected by majorities. The key to an informed electorate is freedom of the press.<br />All state representatives, senators and governors, as well as elective offices of political subdivisions are by simple majority vote. Only the President can be elected without a popular vote majority, as I understand it, due to the electoral college (undemocratic)<br /><br />Perhaps you would prefer the Republic of Iran, the Republic of North Korea, the People's Republic of China, or other repressive environments, but me, I prefer the democratic approach with protections on speech and press.<br /><br />Also, in getting back to the point in your leading commentary about the 12 acres....you will note that in recent years the Borough has called Kardon Park a 12 acre park, but those 12 acres, which include the lakes are not the twelve acres dedicated after the Kardon acquisition. And the Borough has claimed the Kardon parcels were never dedicated, which we know is simply not true. It is a pattern of deception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com