tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post5162721069058725318..comments2023-03-28T07:08:12.335-04:00Comments on Eye on Downingtown: Does It Have Appeal?Elaine Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-60488830634000239852010-11-21T10:23:10.509-05:002010-11-21T10:23:10.509-05:00From Section D of the DEP order document:
A Human...From Section D of the DEP order document:<br /><br />A Human Health Risk Assessment for direct contact exposure to Site soils [the "Site" as described in Section B is the 50 acres known as Kardon Park] indicated that any risk to human health is WITHIN AN ACCEPTABLE RANGE, as set forth in the Act 2 regulations.<br /><br />http://savekardonpark.com/resources/Act+2+Order.pdf <br /><br />Any questions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-21156358315532301552010-11-19T12:46:51.397-05:002010-11-19T12:46:51.397-05:00I am refusing to continue to participate in your c...I am refusing to continue to participate in your chidlish behavior from here on in.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-83456811759269386882010-11-19T11:09:45.161-05:002010-11-19T11:09:45.161-05:00I was right...the moon IS made of green cheese.
S...I was right...the moon IS made of green cheese.<br /><br />Says so on www.Nasa.gov. Look it up fer yerself.<br /><br />TinkerbellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-27710274007466351362010-11-19T11:03:20.240-05:002010-11-19T11:03:20.240-05:00Fine, make it up as you go, but the issue here is ...Fine, make it up as you go, but the issue here is your credibility. So far, without supporting your assertions, you have none.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-14430113839797603312010-11-19T08:45:44.277-05:002010-11-19T08:45:44.277-05:00Are you reading impaired? Can you not go back to ...Are you reading impaired? Can you not go back to what I sited and do it yourself or do you need to be spoon fed? Believe it or not this is a BLOG, not a term paper, not something to be graded, not a court decision filled with superfluous language. If a person reads an article or a blog or anything else and they want the specific language used if it is not sited in the readings how hard is it in this day and age to go look it up themselves?!? If I were writing for a serious article or a reference book or a term paper then it would be necessary for me to have footnotes, a bibliography and such but since this is a BLOG I don't have to do that. Get a job because you obviuosly have way too much time on your hands.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-86056355505698226952010-11-18T22:59:20.747-05:002010-11-18T22:59:20.747-05:00Now, you are posting general sources of informatio...Now, you are posting general sources of information, but NOT the specific language you claim is there to back up your assertions.<br /><br />For example if you say the DEP order says the land to the west must be restricted if no development occurs, what specific sentence or paragraph (not taken out of context, of course), indicates that.<br /><br />If you are claiming interpretive election expertise, post the data, not some ridiculous half-cooked theory about a "tide of feeling" sweeping people in or out of office.<br /><br />You cited the Judge's statement, which only confirmed her decision was based on the law, but then loosely interpreted it to mean she had no clue what she had read.<br /><br />Here, Elaine, I'll give you an example of what I am looking for:<br /><br />I have said that DEP has never issued an order restricting park use, or limiting it to the trail or ponds. Now, I could just say that and hope it flies. But nobody with half a noodle would just take me at my word if I said "it's not in the Act 2 order.".<br /><br />So for example I would post the specific language from the order, so the reader could see on what I am basing my claim. Otherwise I am just blowing smoke.<br /><br />I could also just post what DEP officials have said, such as:<br /><br />"Walter Payne, DEP environmental group manager, said standards for building a commercial and residential development on the land would be more stringent than for use as a recreation area. He said the DEP had never ruled out its use as parkland." <br /><br />http://dailylocal.com/articles/2009/09/29/news/srv0000006508284.txt?viewmode=fullstory<br /><br /><br />If you have ever written or even read a court decision, or even a term paper in high school, you may recall the concept of footnoting, where the author refers to the specific source of information.<br /><br />PatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-75213844521285692592010-11-18T21:48:26.039-05:002010-11-18T21:48:26.039-05:00Go back and read exactly the same things you poste...Go back and read exactly the same things you posted from. The ACT 2 Clearance section D linked straight from http://kardonpark.com/4.html<br /><br />Various quotes from the daily local if you do a search in the archives for Ms. Feldman and others along with an article linked to me from a friend about the $100,000 parcel of land. <br /><br />Information directly from the developers and some info from http://www.kardonparkfacts.com/#a<br /><br />Conditions of approval and the Golder report. And finally the Judges decision from here<br /><br />http://kardonpark.com/resources/Decision+of+Judge+Platt+100710.pdf<br /><br />Enough is enough. We get it you don't like the fact that I and apparently RCB would like to see D'town move forward...bring in new revenue, be able to pay down some of the debt help reduce the tax base and bring businesses back to life. But that is ok there are others of us and we will no longer be the silent majority. <br /><br />Also who the heck cares if I put up a blog about D'town and one of the issues happens to be Kardon Park. There were also thoughts on the original plan for the bridge from Boot Road into Johnsontown, a few political posts one giving EVERY candidates websites, one about Johnsontown's National Night Out, another about 9/11. It just so happens that right now Kardon Park is in the forefront. It may go to the background for a bit who knows, but what the heck do you care if I blog about it? I don't care that you post frequently on the Daily Local's site because really you take up so little space in my life.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-7914334024857024982010-11-18T20:59:56.411-05:002010-11-18T20:59:56.411-05:00Once again, lots of opinions, but nothing to back ...Once again, lots of opinions, but nothing to back it up.<br /><br />Why don't y'all post your source documents?<br /><br />What are you people afraid of? Either you can back up your claims with data, documentation, authoritative sources, or you can't. It's that simple.<br /><br />Elaine...7000 people live within a mile or two of Kardon Park...the residents of Downingtown.<br /><br />Only a few of them have put up blogs. You have taken it upon yourself to create a political site and are using it to post misinformation about the Kardon Park controversy. If that is not jumping in with both feet, I don't know what is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-65546736453493058452010-11-18T16:16:23.363-05:002010-11-18T16:16:23.363-05:00Hey Anonymous; alias Chris, Elaine is right on poi...Hey Anonymous; alias Chris, Elaine is right on point about Kardon Park. You can ridicule her points all day but the fact is she knows what she is talking about and you don't appear to come across as well.<br /><br />She grew up in Downingtown and I grew up in Philadelphia so we know what dumps are used for and we know why parts of Kardon are totally unacceptable to come close to being any sort of "park" because they were dumps. Industrial grade, smelly, quarter million cubic feet of nastiness right under your toe land fills! And those ponds! I would stay clear of them too because who knows what is stagnating in those pools of filth.<br /><br />But there is no point in getting long winded as a dump will always be a dump until such time as the dump materials are removed (cost too much and no budget to do) or they are mitigated according to DEP guidelines; meaning development to remedy the problem. And those ponds will likely attract more mosquitos and disease as they continue to fester.<br /><br />Unless of course you have some brilliant idea about how to mitigate that bad area and make the borough financially solvent at the same time. <br /><br />Read about the deficit in the upcoming budget report. That is the legacy of Anne Feldman! And every person who gets a tax increase can thank her for her "work" in ruining a budget surplus by turning it single-handedly into a deficit for years to come.RCBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18362663892026891433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-35946479721584407222010-11-18T16:13:22.920-05:002010-11-18T16:13:22.920-05:00It took me a minute, but what are you talking abou...It took me a minute, but what are you talking about me jumping in with both feet on a local issue? I LIVE HERE!! In fact I live 5/8 of a mile from The Ponds so why shouldn't I be concerned with it! Besides who are you to tell who to be concerned about what? Get off your high horse it's a long way down when you fall on your face.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-14706032509520076052010-11-18T16:10:36.145-05:002010-11-18T16:10:36.145-05:00I have copied and pasted it, but even then you ref...I have copied and pasted it, but even then you refute the darn stuff. You are the biggest egotistical stalker there ever was. Judge Platt stated that she was going to consider them of the same parcel not that they WERE, because of the slim line between dedication and not. <br /><br />RCB you are completely right, Ms. Feldman showed up at the end of the meeting, which she knows usually lasts an hour, sat down and then acted surprised that it was being ajourned. She did not even bother to show up for one of the most important meetings....budget. D'town not only has a short fall we will have to pay another $83 per household in taxes this year. Some of that is coming fom what I see as incompetant accounting and partly because Ms. Feldman is keeping the borough from an important infusement of cash along with tax revenue in the future. But of course "last laugh" here will refute it all since Ms. Feldman has apparently hired him/her/it as one of her minions to disperse incorrect information or try and spin the biggest mistake she has ever made into something that she thinks the whole borough will swallow.<br /><br /><br />Well gee see the thing is Curt and Jim have a bigger voting pool than the borough and not as many of those people are of the sheep herd. As for the other council members they were already serving their terms and if I remember correctly Ms. Britton ran unopposed......it's not rocket science.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-4431787881479316882010-11-18T14:12:12.261-05:002010-11-18T14:12:12.261-05:00Elaine:
Here is what I would like to see you post...Elaine:<br /><br />Here is what I would like to see you post:<br /><br />Evidence, as [opposed to opinion] on your assertion that Ms. Feldman was elected beause of a "tide of feeling" rather than the issues she talked about during the campaign. Perhaps you could explain why this tide of feeling did not also sweep Curt Schroder or Jim Gerlach (Republicans) and other Republican council members out of office.<br /><br />The election results should be online so this should be fairly easy to do.<br /><br />For the umpteenth time would you (or somebody) post the DEP language that says the area to the west of the trail is (by order of DEP) to be off-limits, if the commercial development did not take place. If DEP orderd this, there should be a document stating it. If you have not seen the document, then how can you make the claim?<br /><br />You have repeatedly said that certain parts of the park are not part of the park.<br />What is the source of this information? Judge Platt reviewed the evidence and stated the entire 40.5 acres that was subject to the lawsuits and petition are dedicated parkland.<br />(Refer to Resolution 2001-3, DEP order, Golder report that all list 47 acres of park, as well as the deeds and Project 70 documents).<br /><br />When you do that I have other points I would like to see supported by evidence, not opinion, but I don't want to overwhelm you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-73949801148521657032010-11-18T13:56:15.506-05:002010-11-18T13:56:15.506-05:00Ok clay...I mean RCB...tell us the facts, and we&#...Ok clay...I mean RCB...tell us the facts, and we'll go from there. And please post the document language to support your facts, or you are no more reliable a source than Elaine B.<br /><br />ChrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-43379252837750159442010-11-18T12:33:35.128-05:002010-11-18T12:33:35.128-05:00Areas of Kardon Park are a dump and all the writin...Areas of Kardon Park are a dump and all the writing, posting, commenting and being critical won't change that an inch. Parts of it are an old industrial waste dump and of which the contents still remain.<br /><br />What will work for Downingtown is for these folks to expend their energies coming up with better, creative ways of making the budget solvent. In other words, instead of being critical be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.<br /><br />Of course they would rather hide behind "anonymous" identities and only pop out to make fun of or insult people who are working to make a positive impact on Downingtown.RCBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18362663892026891433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-42948625994789620842010-11-18T12:29:04.521-05:002010-11-18T12:29:04.521-05:00It is interesting how some people are so critical,...It is interesting how some people are so critical, egotistical and ignorant of the facts. The fact is that Anne showed up last night at the council meeting to make what I guess was an appearance. She sat down just as the adjourned the meeting.<br /><br />I wonder as well why does an official for Downingtown waste our time; especially with a deficit budget, chasing lawsuits for other townships.<br /><br />Maybe should should run for office there and resign her post at Downingtown?RCBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18362663892026891433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-56220092744081322642010-11-18T08:18:17.963-05:002010-11-18T08:18:17.963-05:00Post your sources (cut and paste from the document...Post your sources (cut and paste from the documents, if that makes it easier) or stop making unsupportable claims. Is that too much to ask?<br /><br />I don't have any idea of where you are, or even who you are...and frankly, the less I know about you personally, the better off I like it.<br /><br />This is a local political issue you have jumped into with both feet, so if you can't take legitimate criticism, get out the debate.<br /><br />You have posted three (of a total six) entries on this site in the past two months. A full 50% of your blog entries for that period are dedicated to posting unsupported and derogatory misinformation about Kardon Park, and the many people trying to save it, as well as a sitting Judge whose job it was to objectively rule on the evidence.<br /><br />To spend that much time on something and not even try to get it right, or document your information is counterproductive to what you are trying to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-90387490555915938572010-11-18T06:11:42.432-05:002010-11-18T06:11:42.432-05:00If you will notice that the post that was done abo...If you will notice that the post that was done about Judge Platt's decision is still there. But I can imagine that they are as tired of your spew as I am. What language would you like me to post? I post direct quotes from your heroes and that is dismissed I post what is said in reports and that is dismissed but you on the other hand copy and paste and we are to take your opinion as gospel.<br /><br />It's nice to know though that I am so important in your world that you have to make sure exacly where I am at all times. However, be careful that might be miscontrued as stalking and that "my dear" could get you into a lot of trouble.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-90637406983174267672010-11-18T01:08:52.800-05:002010-11-18T01:08:52.800-05:00BTW, www.KardonParkFacts.com had a link to this bl...BTW, www.KardonParkFacts.com had a link to this blog, but eliminated it. I wonder why?<br /><br />If the sale and development of Kardon Park is such a good idea, why do the proponents of it not want anybody to see opposing points of view and correction of their "facts"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-52131400092948682422010-11-18T01:02:39.171-05:002010-11-18T01:02:39.171-05:00Elaine, please list the incorrect information that...Elaine, please list the incorrect information that FOKP foisted upon everyone.<br /><br />You will note that I keep asking you to post the language from your sources of information, and you keep sidestepping it.<br /><br />Posting claims without substantiating them from actual documents is a poor way to convince anybody of anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-22449107149428003342010-11-17T22:19:34.001-05:002010-11-17T22:19:34.001-05:00Go gravy how dense are you? Really? I changed it...Go gravy how dense are you? Really? I changed it because I was a bit tired of you insinuating that I was not quite sane which by your long tirades is questionable for you. The other blog is not germaine to Kardon Park, but even if it was you would certainly not understand any of the concepts within that one. There is nothing that you set anyone straight on. Those of us who really care about D'town and would like to see it revitalized will prevail one way or another. At least we are doing it the proper way and not like was done at the start of the whole Kardon Park mess that Ms. Feldman brought about. It's a bit hard to get out from under the space between a rock and a hard place when you were feeding everyone incorrcet information at the start and now know that you are wrong but can't stop the avalanche. You might want to ask your hero Ms. Feldman what she actually told people when she went door to door and got them fired up and thinking that the whole park would be developed and now she can't take back her mistake.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-23020966472425962762010-11-17T21:52:26.610-05:002010-11-17T21:52:26.610-05:00Ok, I found it. I also see you changed the "a...Ok, I found it. I also see you changed the "about me" comment above to eliminate your phrase that bothers you.<br /><br />Now, since that is out of the way, is there anything else you want me to set the record straight on? Involving Kardon Park?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-50085177779958378052010-11-17T18:32:24.955-05:002010-11-17T18:32:24.955-05:00There's another blog? Where do I find it?There's another blog? Where do I find it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-72185912167688278792010-11-17T18:24:47.309-05:002010-11-17T18:24:47.309-05:00Refer to the other blog again and insinuate that I...Refer to the other blog again and insinuate that I am not quite sane and I WILL censor you. How's that being slanderous thing working for you?Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-49806374895460731642010-11-17T16:54:41.748-05:002010-11-17T16:54:41.748-05:00You can go quietly wherever you want to go, but I ...You can go quietly wherever you want to go, but I suggest you don't go into a court of law with such a twisted view of reality.<br /><br />It is illegal to sell public parks for private development in the state of Pennsylvania.<br /><br />Which part of that concept are you having trouble with. That's the "big picture" here.<br /><br />You want to focus on algae and tree branches in a silt pond, car fenders in the woods, and minor landscaping issues in the park, as well as environmental issues that have been addressed and cleared by DEP, but ignore the over-riding legal issues, and pretend you are looking at the "big" picture?<br /><br />The underlying issues of protecting public land go beyond the selling of Kardon Park, and affect all public land in Pennsylvania. If the Orphans Court decision were to be reversed, it would threaten every public park in Pennsylvania. Yes, even Johnsontown Park.<br /><br />Any potential economic benefit, or boost to the budget is irrelevant to the law (I thought I explained that already).<br /><br />The core of FOKP's lawsuit is that the park should be left alone, not that any great improvements need to be done to it (although it would be nice if they would clear the silt out of the race and get the water flowing again...which would fix the algae problem on the silt trap pond you like so much). A little routine upkeep, as used to occur, would also be appropriate and affordable, rather than ordering the park crews to NOT do their job.<br /><br />How's that "staying sane" thing workin' out for ya'?<br /><br />Dr. PhilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8599990357132711989.post-46183055125883804492010-11-17T14:09:51.364-05:002010-11-17T14:09:51.364-05:00You know what is scary is not myself, but your co...You know what is scary is not myself, but your continually ignoring the core of the whole situation. The fact being that the borough cannot afford to do all the pretty things that FOKP and yourself want to have done, but if we bring in development there will be a payoff for many not few. Businesses in D'town are failing, Milltown is half empty, taxes are going up 7%per year and yet we are to do nothing to attract people to come into D'town to help infuse the businesses that exist and to see the potential of others to come here. You all want that area as a park then you all need to pony up some money to give the borough some debt relief and help those of us who are looking at the big picture pay our taxes. Maybe then we would go quiietly into the good night.Elaine Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599709990830118179noreply@blogger.com